On my way back from the gym today , I cut through an outdoor hookah bar (as I always do) as a shortcut from the gym to my parking garage. Halfway through I was stopped by a girl who asked me if I worked at the fire department. I was perplexed and asked why. She pointed to my shirt and says, "The initials look like a Fire Department initials." I look down at my t-shirt and read the 4 large block letters.
L A F R.
R.
Not D.
Strike One for Random Tipsy Person (DTP).
I was like, "oooohhh, no, I ran a 10k a while back. This stands for LA Front Runners."
DTP was outgoing and friendly, and we chatted for a while. She was trying to avoid this guy she had a crush on, who had taken her on a date and then brought friends. And since I am the type of person completely characterized by helping those in need, I stayed and chatted.
I learned within the first thirty seconds - two things: She likes Pot. She likes God.
I assumed that the linkage of the two meant that God was this great unknown being that is in nature and God is just my way of saying, LOVE LOVE LOVE Everyone.
But no, randomly, she was actually a born-again believer that said things like. "We don't have to worry about sin, because God died on the cross to give us a Jesus Cloak."
I guess I like to try to argue with religious people because One: I really like trying to convince people to see things my way and two, ... dwarfed by number one. So I guess by my reasons here, I don't choose to argue with religious people because they are religious, I like to argue with them because they like to argue.
Sooooo, back to this short subset of my long and bizarre conversation.
So immediately, I jump on the low hanging fruit. "How can you smoke pot and please God. The Bible says, you are the temple of the Holy Spirit"
DTP: "Well, I can't make changes in my life unless God is ready to make those changes for me. I was a slut before, and God worked on that, he hasn't chosen to work on the Pot yet. God is in control of everything"
Me: "Oh, so you believe that our world is deterministic, we are not in control of our actions so it doesn't matter what we do?"
DTP: "Well, God knew everything before we were born. He knew us in our mother's whom. He knew every sin we'd ever commit"
Me "So that relieves you from the responsibility of sin? So you feel no guilt."
DTP: "Well, sometimes I feel guilt."
Me: "Well, if you can't help sinning, you shouldn't feel guilt."
DTP: "Sometimes I don't feel guilt...And I do have somewhat of a choice, I can't choose whether or not to sin, but I can choose which sin to do next."
Me: "Sounds like a blast, but you still shouldn't feel guilt if that's true. But that's not even the main issue here. The Bible actually says that you God won't allow you to be tempted above what you are able and will with that temptation also make a way to escape that ye may be able to bear it. So God is saying that you DOOOOO have a choice"
DTP: (After 5 minutes of me repeating that verse)." Jesus said that "no man is without sin" and besides Satan can also tempt people."
Me: Repeated the verse again and said. "Just because no man is currently without sin dosnt mean that God (according to the Bible) didn't give us all an opportunity to be without sin. And God said "ALLOW" so that includes Satan temptation."
DTP: "Well, you can have your opinion, I just disagree."
Me: "It's not my opinion!! I'm using YOUR Bible. You say you have no choice but to sin, the Bible says you CAN choose not to sin. And you believe the Bible. You have a contradiction. Something cannot both BE and NOT BE at the same time. That's a contradiction. That can't exist"
DTP: "Yes, it is a contradiction"
Me: "What are you going to do about it"
DTP: "Well, I guess I don't care about contradictions."
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Strike Two.
We talked for about a half hour more.With me mainly trying to get her to define why she believed that God was real and why her version of God was right.
As our conversation was drawing to a close, she ended with.
DTP: "My belief in God is like my belief in math."
Me: "Wow"
DTP: "Yeah, so in math, people are like 'This equals this which equals this and that equals the answer', and I'm like, 'I don't understand what's going on. ' But I know that the answer is correct, I just have no idea how to get to that answer. And I just don't understand math. So you see. Just like God. I can know that the answer is right, I just won't ever understand why."
Me: "Bahahahahahahahahahahah" ...."BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Strike Negative 3.
How stupid are you when you don't even realize that you are calling yourself stupid.
'Things that CAN be proven by smart people, but I don't understand' DOES NOT EQUAL 'things that CANNOT be proven by anyone'.
It was like the jury was up to that point still out on exactly how low her intelligence was and then she stepped up to the defendant's podium and said, "you know what, I'm going to prove myself innocent, right here, right now...I buried the gun in my yard." She did the jury's work for them. Shoulda just let that jury go to work at their REAL jobs like they wanted to anyway.
Pin this up in my growing collection of sparkly gems from religious people about "Why I Believe In God."
"God is real, cause math is hard (DTP 11/11/2008) " is going right up there with "God exists, cause I feel him when I play my guitar. (Dan 02/29/2008)"